Dr. Austin Baeth helps us explore the critical impacts of alcohol on health and society, including the dangers of early drinking, the connection between substance use and mental health, and the alarming rise in alcohol consumption among women. We delve into personal stories, debunk myths, and discuss the need for change, inviting listeners to join this crucial conversation on health and wellness alternatives.
Center on Alcohol Marketing and Youth
In Episode 5 of "Mommy's New Medicine," we dive deep into the sobering realities of alcohol's effects on our health and society, joined by Dr. Austin Baeth and Jon. We examine the direct link between the age at which individuals start drinking and the increased risk of developing alcohol use disorders, highlighting the concerning trend of alcohol marketing targeting youth, especially on social media platforms like TikTok. Our discussion also covers the significant role genetics play in addiction, emphasizing the need for early education and awareness among our children.
Dr. Baeth brings critical insights into how substance use is closely connected to mental health, with a special focus on the rising alcohol consumption among women, its health implications, and the societal pressures driving this trend. We open up about personal struggles, including Monica's journey with ADHD and alcohol as a coping mechanism, to underline the importance of confronting our drinking habits and the benefits of seeking healthier alternatives.
This episode also challenges the credibility of government alcohol consumption guidelines and sheds light on alcohol's carcinogenic properties. Our goal is to foster a community of informed listeners ready to question the status quo, rethink their alcohol intake, and explore the potential of alternatives like cannabis in upcoming discussions.
Join us as we tackle these crucial topics, urging listeners to reflect on their health and the contents of their glasses. We invite you to engage with us, share your experiences, and contribute to this vital conversation. Let's uncover the hard truths together on "Mommy's New Medicine."
00:00 "Building a community based on health."
05:58 Doctor stresses importance of honest alcohol use disclosure.
07:59 Admission of alcohol abuse masking undiagnosed ADHD.
11:49 Alcohol linked to seven types of cancer.
15:50 Cutting back on alcohol reduces health risks.
17:17 Educational message about alcohol for females.
21:26 Estrogen affects alcohol metabolism in women.
25:22 Alcohol companies marketing to kids is concerning.
29:08 Substance use linked to mental health disorders.
31:57 Alcohol, cancer, health benefits, and life choices.
33:29 Avoid excessive drinking; prioritize health and time.
Welcome back to Mommy's new medicine, where we are building a community that is based on the foundation of health and wellness. From the myths of alcohol abuse to the potential of cannabis, a strong focus on mental health awareness and just about everything else in between there. Here, it's not about what you choose. It's about sharing real stories, including my own, which gets extremely messy and bringing light to the choices that we have. It's not about judgment here we're all about authenticity and compassion and just support. In real talk, we will share stories of women that are in your shoes, with drop ins from experts along the way. And speaking of experts, today we are sitting down with Dr. Austin Bates, a man who has masterfully balanced life as a doctor, state legislator, entrepreneur, business owner, devoted husband and father.
In no particular order of importance, him and I are going to tackle the topics of alcohol's health implications and its widespread impact on our communities, all while keeping the conversation as welcoming and engaging. As a chat over coffee, Austin brings a wealth of experience and insight, shining light on the relationship between alcohol and health from a medical perspective and the specific risks associated with alcohol and cancer. And finally, practical recommendations and tips for healthier lifestyle choices. In light of these insights, join us for a session that's as informative as it is transformative, aimed at empowering you with the knowledge to make informed choices for your well being, and especially those of your loved ones as well. Welcome, Austin.
Well, thank you, Monica. I'm so happy to be here.
For those that don't know, Austin and I go way back, so I was very excited when he let me reach out to him. We're friends of what, 20 some years? How old are we now?
I don't know that I want to do the math, Monica, but yeah, we won't math.
We won't math.
Yeah, we were in late high school.
Yeah, that was five years ago. No big deal. Before we dive into topic one, is there anything you would like to add to your bio?
I guess first the main edit would be, I would not say masterfully balanced as we all are trying to do. Trying to find some balance and keeping your head above water is the best I can do.
Well, you make it look good, sir.
Thanks. Variety is the spice of life, I suppose. No, I'm really excited. Know, Monica, actually, I think for our generation, it's so normal for so many people in our generation to drink that. I don't think that a lot of people pause and really consider the health effects of alcohol. So I kind of have these dual lives where I've got my personal life, where I still hang out with my friends, and we still go and have some beers. And then in my professional life, then I go read some studies and read about all the ways that I'm harming my body. So that's something that I think I relate to with my patients, is I say, hey, listen, I like a good IPA now and then myself.
But I got to tell you, the new studies are showing that this isn't doing us any good. So I'm excited to be able to get this information out. And I think you hit on it perfectly, in a non judgmental way, because this is just part of our society. We need to talk about how we can at least make ourselves healthier.
Yes. And just like you said, it's been glamorized to us. It's what was normalized to us. It's what we grew up around. I got a harder time growing up if I stayed home on a Friday night than if I went out on a Friday night. Go be social. Go do that. That's what's important.
And as we dive into, like you said, your medical perspective on our last episode, my guest Hillary and I really dove into how we never filled out that questionnaire correctly to our doctor, how we always hit it, how we always tiptoed around it. And so I really want to talk about your professional insight from talking with your patients, why you guys ask these questions, how we should be answering them. But most importantly, like you said, the health effects and impacts and data that fuel these conversations in your office.
Right? So I think, first of all, when we ask patients how much they drink, as a rule of thumb, at least the doctors that I trained with, whatever the guy says, we multiply by three. Whatever the woman says, multiply by two, really? Because of just how common it is for people to downplay the amount that they drink because they don't want to feel judged by their medical provider.
And I believe that. But I'm surprised by that rule of thumb with three for men and two for women. Honestly, I see guys just being like, this is what I drink, this is what I do. But I find women, I really think we're drinking a lot more than we say. So I'm just surprised by you would multiply it more for men.
Well, I would say it's an unscientific rule of thumb.
Okay, fair.
And we are learning that more. I completed my residency training now about a decade ago, and in that last decade, the rate of women drinking has gone up faster than it has for men. And so maybe we need to be more equitable now and multiply it by three for everyone, if not more.
That might be fair, maybe more for women.
What I try to do is I say, hey, it's really important for me as your doctor to have an accurate understanding of how much you drink, because it's going to affect the decisions that I make and the recommendations that I give you, knowing everything that's going on with your health. So, for example, I might say, hey, your liver enzymes are pretty high. We find that from a blood test. And I say, it would make a lot of sense if it's because you've been drinking alcohol. But if you haven't been drinking alcohol, I'm going to have to do more workup, we're going to have to do an ultrasound of your liver and get more blood tests. And so I try to explain why it's important for me to know, so that it gives them just a little bit more motivation to give me the honest truth of what's going on. And it's super valuable. I'm trying to be better at asking patients about alcohol use, and I'm realizing that more.
It's kind of self fulfilling, because the more I ask about it, the more I discover patients who I would not have suspected of overusing alcohol are.
We hide it well. We hide it well. The most successful people I know, I said this on the last episode. I know some ringers in the world, they're boozing hard.
Yes. I had a patient in her sixty s, and for some reason, all of a sudden, I could not get her blood pressure under control, okay. And she'd been well controlled for years. And all of a sudden, I had to add more and more medicine. I just could not figure it out until I finally saw her liver enzymes. And I said, wait a minute, are you drinking alcohol? And she said, yeah, actually, ever since I lost my job, I've been back home and I've been drinking like a pint of vodka a day. And it completely made sense now in terms of her blood pressure control and everything else that was going on. And I didn't do a good enough job thinking about it sooner.
And they're not the things you want to walk in and say. You don't want to go in to the doctor's office and say, hey, I'm drinking a pint of vodka. But you're right. It's the things we need to say to get the proper treatment for what's going on. And one thing that I'm really uncovering, and, I mean, I want to find maybe, you know, an expert I can talk to about this down the road, too. I am finding that the more people that are talking to me as I'm opening up about my alcohol abuse, my alcohol abuse was to cover up my undiagnosed ADHD. I didn't know that that was just the only way. I found all of a sudden, at 1415, oh, I feel more comfortable in situations.
So alcohol was my behavior, but it wasn't a physical addiction. It was to help me cope. And the more women I talked to are like, yeah, once I got sober, man, I got diagnosed with bipolar. I got diagnosed with ADHD, anxiety, depression. And they're using it as a crutch in the way it's glamorized, having no clue, the detriment that it's going to be on their health down the road. Tell us about some of the health impacts that you're seeing. What's in the medical world, what's in the data?
Well, unfortunately, what we are learning just in the last year. So there's a study that came out about a year ago that suggests that there is actually no safe amount of alcohol.
I saw that the CDC says, if you haven't drank yet, don't start drinking now.
Correct. We used to say, in fact, it's still in the current US dietary guidelines that was updated in 2020. Even said that a man can drink up to two drinks a day and a woman one drink a day. And that recommendation was even controversial because even the data that was around at that point, scientists were recommending to the government to say that there is no safe amount of alcohol. But it was overruled by folks in the government.
Could that have anything to do with alcohol powers that be in lobbying? I know that's for another conversation.
I think you're on the right track in your suspicions. We see that actually in plenty of regulatory guidelines that the special interests that donate to political campaigns and all of that do have an influence. And even some of past research suggesting that there are some potential health benefits to alcohol we've found have probably been altered by scientists who were paid for by the alcohol lobby.
I've been reading a lot about that, too. I've really been digging deep. This is a passion of mine. I'm pissed off at the way alcohol has been marketed and promoted. And I don't know if as one person I can take it down, but I can expose everything I'm learning.
Right?
So I have been finding that. And I used to cling to those articles. I used to show my husband all the time when he would get judgy about my wine and be like, wine's good for your heart. Wine is better than 30 minutes of exercise. And I believed it because I wanted to believe it. I wanted to. And now I'm finding out that those might have had a little bit of money and skewness behind them.
Yeah. And Canada is paving the way. They've already offered that official recommendation that don't drink if you can, and that there is no safe amount of alcohol. And the US will put out its new guidelines in 2025, and we'll see if they are in line with the current literature.
I can't wait to see what they say in 2025. I want to be quoted in it. I doubt I will be, but I want to be quoted as starting the mission for it. Okay. So, important topic to me, alcohol and cancer. There's a million different health consequences from alcohol, but one I really want to focus in on today is the relationship between alcohol and cancer. And I think you're the expert to bring us there.
Well, thanks. I don't know that I'm necessarily the leading expert in this, but I'll tell you that we are learning more and more that alcohol is the culprit for a lot of cancers. And in fact, there is a direct link between alcohol and now seven different types of cancers. And those are cancers that involve the mouth, the throat, the voice box, also known as the larynx, the esophagus, the liver, colon, and breast cancer. And there are even other studies perhaps linking it to melanoma and pancreatic cancer. So it's something that I think a lot of the general public aren't aware know. We know that smoking causes cancer, and we know that drinking causes liver disease, but most folks don't associate alcohol with causing cancer. Here in Iowa, we're becoming more acutely aware of this because we have recently discovered we have the second highest cancer rate in the country.
And we don't exactly know, but there's probably multiple factors. But we also happen to be number three in binge drinking in the know, beat out by Wisconsin, who always seems to be number one.
And see, I would have thought Louisiana, on living in New Orleans. I would have said, man, we got that title when I was proud of it. And now I'm like, really? Iowa, but Midwest. Yeah, makes sense.
Midwest. They're the drinkers. And it's estimated right now that alcohol probably contributes to about 6% of all cancers.
Wow.
And there's various mechanisms for this. One of the most common mechanisms for which it causes cancer is alcohol is metabolized in the body to something called acetyldehyde. And this is a chemical that's known to be a carcinogen. It's known to cause cancer. And so this particular chemical, acetyldehyde, causes mutations in DNA.
Okay.
And it's DNA mutations that are the basis of forming a new cancer cell. It prevents cancer cells from learning how to stop multiplying, and so they no longer have the breaks applied to them when they multiply, and they just start growing and growing, and that's how you get a tumor. So, essentially, alcohol damages DNA of our cells, and that's how the cancer begins.
Okay. Thank you for breaking it down in that way. That was taking very strong medical jargon and bringing it away to myself, and I hope my listeners can understand as well. Thank you for breaking it down.
Sure.
There's a couple of books that I read as I went into my journey of going alcohol free. I tried to quit alcohol many times before, and it was miserable for some reason. This time, I tried a couple books that really put into perspective what alcohol is and learning that is really what changed for me this time around. I don't look at it as, oh, my God, I don't get a drink anymore. I truly look at it as like, thank golly, I don't drink anymore. And one book, I'm going to have to find out which one I'll put in the show notes later. I can't remember offhand, but they broke it down. Is that.
Yes. When we say alcohol, we think of the beautiful bottle of rose, we think of the champagne, we think of whatever, and we look at Everclear as like, oh, that's the nasty stuff. But at the end of the day, alcohol is ethanol. No matter how you look at it, it comes from ethanol. That is the foundation of any alcohol you're drinking. And if I'm wrong, isn't ethanol the same thing they put in gas? Like, you wouldn't put gas in your body, but because we market it and package it beautifully now it's okay to. Like when Austin's telling you what it does in your body. Don't think of the, oh, my wine doesn't do that.
Think of drinking gasoline is how I look at it now.
That's accurate. Ethanol is ethanol.
Yeah.
And I'm going to step back and say for some people, it's not feasible for them to cut cold turkey and drink zero alcohol. What we know from the data is that you can have at least risk reduction just by cutting back drinking. And so as we're learning to interpret these studies, we're not telling the public necessarily that we need to go back into prohibition, that we need to ban alcohol outright, and everybody needs to stop drinking. What we at least want people to know is by whatever magnitude you can reduce your alcohol intake, you're reducing that exposure to carcinogens, to things that cause cancer, to things that cause heart disease, liver disease. And so if you cut in half how much you drink, roughly, you cut in half your risk of developing all the health consequences of alcohol.
Beautifully put. Beautifully put. Because I am trying to scream from the top of my lungs on this mission that I am on, is that I'm not preaching sobriety to people. I am not preaching, if you put down that alcohol, your life's magically going to be better. No, there's things you need to figure out. Outside of that, my husband, my livelihood comes from bars. Of course, I don't want prohibition, but I want everyone to be accurately educated. Like you said earlier, our generation was brought up where it was.
Maybe I said glamorized. You said it a different way. But I don't feel like this education on alcohol that you and I are trying to provide today is public knowledge or out there. So I'm hoping that between you and I, that we're not telling people stop drinking. We're not judging you. My hope is that when you reach for that bottle of alcohol, you know both sides, you know the benefits you feel that you're going to get out of it, but that you're also fully aware of the consequences. I imagine 90% of anyone that takes the time to listen to this is most likely female. Based on my Persona.
You mentioned to me that there is a lot more education coming out on how alcohol is impacting women specifically and also the increase in women drinking that you're seeing. Can you touch on that a little more for us?
Right. So there is a study out of Journal of JAMA, and it showed that when looking at alcohol related death over the last decade, that it has increased for both men and women, but it has increased for women more rapidly than it has for men. And that corresponds with more data showing that women are drinking at higher rates than what they used to. And I don't know if it's because it's more culturally acceptable than it once was for women to drink. If you see it more in the media.
Mommy wine culture that's so popular, right?
You talked a little bit previously about kind of self medicating with alcohol. That is one of the theories of a potentially contributing factor is that statistically, women are more likely to suffer from depression and anxiety, and that that may also be at play why women are starting to drink at a higher rate. This is combined with unfortunate data that shows that women are more prone to the health consequences of drinking alcohol compared to men.
Oh, riddle me that. I want to know more on that.
So I think most people observe that in general, if you take the average guy and the average gal, that women can't necessarily drink as much alcohol as a guy can for the average person.
But we sure will try.
So the reason why women, in comparison are the relative lightweights, quote unquote, comes down to a few factors. One, body composition. So women have less body water than men do. And so because you're starting with less water in your body, your actual concentration, blood alcohol concentration, goes up faster for a given drink than it does for a man because it isn't diluted by as much body water.
Fascinating.
Second, the enzymes that men and women use to metabolize alcohol, the things that convert it to, basically, the byproducts, those enzymes, don't tend to work as quickly in women. And so women, the alcohol level in women rises higher and is sustained at those higher levels, longer for any given drink than it is in a man.
Wow.
And so women are just exposed to those toxic effects of alcohol to a greater intensity and duration, which is probably causing this discrepancy in greater health consequences.
Yeah. And I mean, again, I told you my life stories are going to get messy. My husband's not a huge drinker, but when he goes out with his friends, they throw back the shots. And so when we started dating, I was a partier. I wanted to keep up with him. I had no idea. Like, here I am trying to keep up with shots on grown men. No clue that I had.
I'm learning this today. Lower body water composition that the enzymes. And here I am trying to keep up with the disgusting fireball and grandma with them. This is why the education is so important. Thank you. I wish I would have known that seven, eight years ago.
Right, 20 years ago. We know that estrogen also plays a role in the metabolism of alcohol. And therefore, there are some theories that where a woman is on her menstrual cycle can actually vary how she metabolizes alcohol. More research to come. But so far, the signs show that for women, even more. So, it's important that we just are careful with alcohol use and are aware of the potential of health consequences.
Wow. And just for my own curiosity, you say more research to come. Is this something they're actively hardcore researching? Is this something that's on the back burner, you think, or something that's being more and more and more brought to the light? From the medical perspective, I don't know.
For sure if the number of studies are increasing, but there, I think, is a new interest in this scientifically, just because we are finding out more and more that our old studies were wrong. And so I do think that there are probably some studies out there that are looking to get probably more accurate information of the true health consequences of alcohol.
Anywhere besides listening to my podcast, where I try to bring this information to light, where else can women, or even their husbands or men, where is this type of information and this type of education? Where can we find that? How would one be exposed to this?
Yeah, there is actually a really good website. It's called rethinking drinking.
Okay.
I don't know if you've heard of it.
No. But I am going to put it in the show notes for everybody, too.
Rethinking drinking. It is just a clearinghouse of alcohol related information in regards to health and does it in a great non judgmental way. It's not saying you have to go sober. It is helping people figure out if they should maybe reduce their alcohol intake. It's educating them on what is one serving of alcohol.
Yes.
And gives all sorts of tips of how to cut back, how to find resources. So I highly recommend this as a starting point for folks.
Okay, thank you. I haven't found that one yet. One that I'm really into is camby. Have you heard of that? It's through Boston University. It's the center. I'm going to butcher this center of alcohol marketing because that's really where marketing is. My bloodline. Like I grew up in digital marketing, I'm obsessed with it and how alcohol is being marketed, especially to youth.
That is what's making me the most upset, is how it's being marketed to youth. Is another good resource to see how this happened to you, because I truly don't blame anybody. I don't think they walked into their parents liquor cabinet and said, I'm going to turn into a drinker. It has been marketed to you, right?
There is an oftentimes quoted study, and maybe you read it, that the age of first drink has a high correlation with whether somebody develops alcohol use disorder as an adult. And so somebody, I believe, is if your first drink is between the age of, I believe, 13 and 14, your chance of having alcohol use disorder is about 16%.
For those that can't see, I'm raising my hand high over here. So back to 16%, as opposed to.
If you're 19 or older before your first drink, your chance is only 1%. We don't know for sure if that is nature or nurture. We don't know if that alcohol exposure to the young brain is what flips on that dependency switch or if it's that 13 year old getting their first drink. Because maybe so many people in their family drink, and it might be a combination of both.
And for any of my parents, as I'm a parent of three young children, I'm going to bring in you some statistics that genuinely should piss you off. When you find out how these alcohol companies are marketing to your children, because they don't need to market to you so much you're already drinking. They have to keep their funnel full. It's marketing. The only way you're going to keep growing is you've got to keep that funnel, funnel, funnel. And there are actual statistics of the age that they are trying to reach your children at the avenues that they're on. I preached it on the last episode of, you know, the Bud light drama, right, with the whole Dylan Mulvaney. And then everyone went, the thing that makes me so mad about that is everyone is talking about transgender and setting.
That's where they're drawing their line. They do not give a shit what you think about that. They were going after your children because your children are the ones on TikTok. Your twelve year olds, your 13 year olds. That age demographic is becoming more and more accepting to the be who you are, transgender. That's who they were after with that ad. And why do you think Bud light and Budweiser have stayed so quiet about it? They came out with one little thing that said, this wasn't a real ad campaign. This was just one influencer.
We tried because they don't want to say, we tried this influencer to get to your children. They can't say that, but that's what it was. Drives me crazy. So thank you for pointing out the age that it can really impact, because as parents, we need to know this. If we don't want these effects to happen to our children, we need to be proactive in knowing it and seeing it and saying, hey, this isn't right. We wouldn't let nicotine advertise to our children. Why are we letting alcohol?
Right. I would say, too, if there is a history of alcoholism in the family, because we know that there is such a strong genetic link for alcoholism that for those who feel like that they may have those addictive tendencies, it's even more crucial to educate your kids as early as possible of the reasons to probably stay away from alcohol completely in folks who have a strong family history.
And thank you for saying that, because for the listeners that can't see, I'm raising my high end high over here. I went over it on episode one, but on one side of my family, I come from a line of alcoholics. Not only alcoholics, we're proud to be alcoholics. We rave about being alcoholics. And I wish I would have known. My mom tried to kind of be like, hey, a little bit, but didn't fully impress into me the genetic link. But I also think this was 20 years ago. She didn't know.
So thank you for saying that. The other thing I want to touch on with the genetic link as we're starting to wrap up is alcohol being the genetic link. I'm finding with my ADHD that it is highly genetically related. In my own research, I am now finding out that folks with especially undiagnosed ADHD and substance abuse disorder down the road is extremely, highly correlated. A, do you see that in your practice? B, do you know someone that I could speak on? Because I want to bring this awareness, too, out there, the correlation between alcohol or substance abuse and mental health undiagnosed issues.
Let me think on who I might be able to point you toward.
Yes, we can talk about that offline, too.
You're correct. We see a very large association between substance use and substance abuse and folks dealing with various mental health diagnoses. We see it for sure in folks who have really severe mental health diseases like schizophrenia. We see it in folks who are self treating with depression and anxiety. We see it with people with PTSD. What we haven't been able to know for sure is causation. Okay, so, for example, there is an ongoing debate right now on the use of marijuana, that some people, when they use cannabis, you can have hallucinations. And there have been concerns that, does this cause schizophrenia down the road, or does this unmask somebody who was already prone to schizophrenia? And that hallucination was kind of that preamble, that was kind of that warning sign from that first marijuana use that they're going to have issues with.
This going down the road. We don't have enough of that information right now. And you can find studies that will suggest one thing causes the other. We don't yet know. Probably the most robust literature that I've found so far finds that there is a genetic link that leads to both cannabis overuse or cannabis use disorder and schizophrenia.
Wow.
Which suggests kind of your same hypothesis is that there are a lot of folks out there who, obviously no fault of their own, but because of genes, are prone to developing these various mental health disorders and substance abuse disorders. And it may just be because it's in their cards.
I could cry right now. I have so many personal relations to this that it speaks to. I could talk to you for hours. That's what I'm going to say here, is we need to wrap up for this episode. I am going to be harassing you outside of this to come back for maybe another one or two parts, because I would love to talk on the gene factor of it. I think that gets overlooked, possibly. So the genetic. I find this fascinating.
Thank you. And then we touched on cannabis use, which is something that I'm not necessarily. I will say it again. I'm not telling you to go out and do drugs. What I'm telling everyone is alcohol didn't work for me. It was a coping mechanism. I have found some medicinal use in cannabis, and I want to reduce the stigma around cannabis. And so bringing on experts that can help us with that.
I would love to have you back for another episode for that, if you're interested, down the road.
Absolutely.
You're amazing. Well, as we wrap up this deep dive that we did into alcohol, cancer, health benefits. Thank you for coming on. And I kind of want to end it with, if you could give one takeaway to the listener today, and I will let you think on this. I'll say mine first. My takeaway is something in the same book that I quoted earlier. One quote that has stuck with me through this entire journey is, what do you want the last decade of your life to look like? Because you may be in your 20s or your 30s, your 40s, you're healthy, you're crushing it, you're killing it. You're going out for drinks.
And we aren't telling you that if you have a drink, you're going to get cancer tomorrow. But every time you have those drinks, you're compounding the effects and you're chipping away at that health. You're already losing your health a little bit. Just aging. Get over it. You're losing it a little bit, but you're chipping away at what's there worse. And it's all going to compound down the road. And that's really stuck with me.
As I see my parents aging, I see my aunts and uncles aging, and I see some of the issues people are having. And I don't want the last decade of my life to look like that. I want to be running around with my kids. I want to be running around with my grandchildren. I want to be strong. I want to be mentally fit. And that's my takeaway. When you reach for that glass of wine tonight, what do you want the last decade of your life to look like? That's mine.
What would you like to leave with our listeners?
I'm not going to be able to top that. Monica, that's extremely wise. And I think you're know, these are all scaled risks. As you, you, we're not saying that you take a drink and you're going to get breast cancer, but whatever you can do to find alternatives is good for your health. And folks might notice that if you skip a day of drinking, you feel better the next day. Well, that's your body telling you something. And for me, as I witness people going through, in my day job, going through all the stages of life from the very beginning to the very end, it's very apparent that our most precious resource is time. It's not money.
It's time. And we only get one body. We only get one vehicle through which we go about in this world. And so in order to have more time, you got to keep this vehicle running healthy, fine tune it. And so this particular vehicle doesn't run best on ethanol.
The one vehicle that doesn't run best on alcohol. Man, full circle. You did that well, sir. All right, listeners, I hope genuinely that you found this as impactful as I did. I was excited to talk to Austin today, but I didn't necessarily even know it was going to be this good. I learned a lot. We hope you learned a lot. Do us a favor.
If you're listening to this, you got something, leave a review. Go into Apple or Spotify whichever platform you're listening on, like, and leave a review. Not only does that help me, yes, it helps this message. It's an algorithm. It helps the message keep getting turned out. So hopefully when someone's struggling, they Google or they're looking for something that this populates and we can get the message to the people that are struggling and might need it most. So thank you, Austin. Looking forward to having you back for another episode soon.
Can't wait. Thanks, Monica. Love it.
All right, bye.
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